February 8, 2012

An old Millers Falls #1285C miter box

After reading an article by Ron Herman in the Woodworking Magazine Blog, and the companion article in Popular Woodworking Magazine, I wanted a good miter box with its matching backsaw. Why? Because I can use it even when the power is off; because I don’t need dust collection for it; because…That’s what I kept telling myself, and it is also what I told Sandy. Of course, she understood what I meant: “…I need a miter box because they are cool, and because Ron Herman wrote that they are cool…” Really. They are cool. And they are also very accurate, as I later found out.

I advertised in the regional edition of a well-known online web site, and a few days later I received an e-mail that a man in the region had a Millers Falls miter box with saw, for $60. After some communication back and forth, we agreed on $40 for the miter box with its massive companion backsaw. I brought them home (about $20 in gas for the truck), cleaned up some of the grime on the box that accumulated in a basement for decades, and tried them out.

Everything works great; I had to use a little WD-40 to loosen machine screws, and to help with grime removal from the metal surfaces. Corrosion has done away with much of the nickel plating on the box, but a) it is complete, and b) everything works great. The bearing surfaces on the saw guides are perfect, and the elevator pins work perfectly (WD-40-assisted), effortlessly locking the saw in the raised position. The swing lever works smoothly, and the locking levers snap perfectly at each automatic indexing notch. Finally, the lever clamp locks the swinging lever such that it cannot be moved at all.

With everything working properly, I went about making several cuts. The first cut was on thin quarter sawn sycamore, and later on 7/8″ thick quarter sawn white oak. Although the saw worked flawlessly, it seemed just a bit slow for 11TPI. I suspect that sharpening by a competent person will speed up the cutting action. Note to self: Learn to sharpen saws! Let’s see: I need a good saw clamp; and some files; and a head-mounted magnifier; and…I am sure I forget some items.

This is the 1285C, ready to go to work:

Millers Falls 1285C miter box.

The back saw is massive: the blade is 28 inches long; it is 5 inches wide under the back, and it has 11 TPI (teeth per inch); the back is steel. The handle is some sort of hardwood; it has some nicks and paint splatter, and a hand-carved symbol that resembles the emblem of Zorro, the legendary masked hero. All the screws are tight, and the medallion is perfect and grimy. It appears to be a Disston #4 backsaw, from the 1940s, according to some of the saw experts on the WoodNet woodworking forum:

The Disston #4 backsaw.

The blade is not etched with the Disston logo; in fact, some research suggested that it was never etched — it might have been painted on the blade — or not. The back is cast steel:

Disston stamp on the cast steel back.

I waited until a few experts on old saws provided feedback on the best way to clean the grime from the blade, as I did not want to remove the nice patina from the blade. I wanted to remove only as much grime as possible. I finally cleaned the blade as much as possible, and applied some Boeshield T-9 as corrosion protection and lubricant.

While doing all this I also shot a 7-minute video of my first use of this miter box. If you have any suggestions on what else I should do to this miter box and/or backsaw, please leave me a Comment in the section below.

Millers Falls 1285 at Sandal Woods
Duration: 7:20 minutes

I learned the terminology for the miter box from the excellent manual Instructions and Parts List for Mitre Boxes by Millers Falls Co.; it is available available as a free download at WKfinetools.com .

Enjoy!

Al Navas

Lid movement on a box with wooden hinges

I promised to work a little more on the wooden hinges, to see how I could improve the form, the shape, their appearance. This is what I finally glued to the box:

The finished hinge form.

The rounded and lightly lifting distal edges provide a nice shadow line on the lid and on the back of the box – a pleasing, subtle effect.

I frequently participate in some of the online woodworking discussion forums. I shared an earlier version of these hinges on WoodNet, and many questions/suggestions resulted on whether the bottom of the lid would drag on the edge of the box, in this hinge configuration. I had a gut feeling it would not; but some suggested it might.

To be safe, I rounded over the bottom edge or the lid, along the edge where the hinges attach. I also recorded a short video, to see for myself and to share my findings. In this hinge configuration the lid lifts right off the box easily, without dragging on the edge of the box. Did the roundover do this? Or did the high location of the pin cause the lid to lift like it did? I will have to go back and try a lid without the roundover, to be sure.

In the meantime, watch the video below, and let me know what you think:

  1. Is there cause for concern that the lid will drag on the box if the edge is not chamfered or rounded over?
  2. Is the location of the hinge pin responsible for the lid lifting cleanly, as we see in the video?
  3. If someone fully understands the mechanics involved with this hinge design, please share it in the Comments section. Thanks!

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Duration: 2:17 minutes
Size: 16 MB

Al Navas

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“An amazing moment” at Woodworking in America 2010

Racing between sessions on Saturday during Woodworking in America 2010 I noticed a very small group gathering by an outside window of the second floor of the Covington (Kentucky) Convention Center. I recognized two of the people, and moved in closer. Wilbur Pan was showing Christopher Schwarz how he uses Japanese hand planes. For me this meant an immediate change in plans; I decided to stay, listen, and maybe catch some video. The video at the bottom of this article is from that informal session in the hallway by the window.

The following is a screen capture image of the event, after Frank Klausz, woodworker extraordinaire and dovetail savant, joined in the informal session:

Left-to-right: Christopher Schwarz, Wilbur Pan, and Frank Klausz.

I just received my copy of the latest issues of Popular Woodworking Magazine. In the magazine, Schwarz writes his Editorial article under the title On the Level. In the latest, he writes about “What I Learned at Woodworking in America” – it is a terrific article. He describes the “amazing moment” he had when Pan holds “…his ground and explains the things he has learned to Klausz…” Don’t miss this video episode; I loved it, and I think you will too!

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Duration — 25:16 minutes
Size: 438 MB

Al Navas

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